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« on: 20 March 06, 07:25:47 » |
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I don't know if this is hardware or software
related problem. I bought a new motherboard MSI 865PE Neo3-V and my
front USB connections doesn't recognized my USB devices (Unknown
Device). I checked my wiring with the case and it seems ok. I am using
Windows XP SP1. I also install its patches and updates. Please help.
Tyvm.
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« Reply #1 on: 20 March 06, 08:19:30 » |
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My suggestion: 1. please clear cmos and load defaults in the bios; 2. Check whether the USB controller has been enabled in the bios; 3.
Check whether there is "!" or "?" on the USB controller in the device
manager,if there is, you may have to reinstall the USB driver,which is
brought by the WinXP itself. 4. Please try other USB ports.
If all the above could not help, then you may have a try to use other USB hub to have a try.
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« Reply #2 on: 21 March 06, 16:09:11 » |
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tolaytzki, it's a common problem that front
panel USB (by 3rd party, ie come with chassis) unable to support certain
USB devices. The wiring correct alone is not enough, the front panel
USB must also be made sure that the USB Vbus power is well supplied to
the port. Now, to help you further on this, I need to know what kind of
front panel USB you have? What chassis? and please tell us your full
system specs. tahnks!
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« Reply #3 on: 01 April 06, 05:50:27 » |
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I have a problem similar to this. My 865PE is
in a case with a 4-in-1 card reader installed in the front. Occasionally
these four drives will disappear from My Computer (they're gone right
now). The back USB ports work, I have another card reader plugged in
right now. Device Manager shows one "Unknown device" which says no
drivers installed. But I don't know where to install a driver from, nor
why it will periodically lose them.
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« Reply #4 on: 01 April 06, 11:52:51 » |
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I have been watching this thread with interest
as I have been plagued with USB Front Port problems and have tried
everything possible to cure the problem. I occasionally get a
message that the device is not recognised - most frequently with a
12-in-1 Card Reader and my External HDD. There seems to be no
logic to this occurence despite just installing a much better PSU and a
new front port circuit board/wiring supplied by Antec to replace my
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I believe it also has to do with the quality of the USB device.
I
have a no-name-brand external USB 2.0 hub/4-in-1 card reader with its
own AC power brick. It exhibits exactly the same behavior
Mikekeller mentions-- Sometimes it will just drop off and become
an "unknown device," and it has done this on three different machines I
tried it on, using different USB ports (in the front or in the
back). On the other hand, I have another no-name-brand 17-in-1
card reader (internal-mount this time) I purchased with my HTPC case
from PC Alchemy and it has been rock-solid with my MSI 945Neo2-F.
These
USB devices are dice-throws. Sometimes you end up with a complete
piece of crap, sometimes you end up with a nice gem.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 April 06, 22:44:37 » |
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I have a front usb problem too my antec slk
2650 bqe case I dont think it even reonizes the ports. i had then
connected at instalation of operating system.
Im using a p4n diamond motheboard to connect them
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« Reply #7 on: 04 April 06, 12:13:56 » |
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I had a front panel problem usb problem too
with that antec case and someone, not shure if it was here or at antec,
that told me there was one wire to clip, and then wrap back. I have had
no problems since.
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« Reply #8 on: 04 April 06, 16:40:26 » |
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a wire on the hub itself or on the plug. when
you say wires im always drwan to that brown wire on the far right on top
of the no pin slot. pins may not be depicted right but .hope this gives
better view.
pin|pin| pin|pin|brown cable pin|pin|pin|pin| no pin
on the d braket both end pins dont look likr they connect to any thing so i hope that the one your talking about. i emailed antec about it so i'll see what they say and post it up .
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« Reply #9 on: 05 April 06, 03:49:53 » |
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It was not the brown one I clipped, it was the
black one next to the brown one. clip the wire though halfway between
the shrink wrap and the connector body so you can leave enough room to
resolder if you have too. Just use a low wattage solder iron because the
wires are small and the plastic jacket can melt easy. Do all this
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« Reply #10 on: 05 April 06, 09:32:53 » |
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I have an Antec Case and Antec advises on their
web site in FAQ that the wire to be disconnected is the wire to Pin 10,
which in my case is a brown wire.
This has been discussed at
length on this forum and there are diagrams and instructions on this
very subject. I recall it might be in "Stickies".
As has
been said earlier, and opinions from other sources, seems to suggest
that some USB devices do not work well in these front ports and it is a
failing of the design of the hardware.
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« Reply #11 on: 05 April 06, 14:04:15 » |
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Yes, this subject has been written about quite a bit. Check
to see if there is a wire running from your Front USB ports to the #10
slot of your USB block which connects to the motherboard header.
USB
connector block layout which corresponds to the pin layout on boards
with the Intel spec for USB. Do not cut the pin on the MOBO. You are
removing/cutting the wire to the connector block from the case. 2 4 6 8 10(this wire, #10, not needed) 1 3 5 7 9(filled/key)
If
you find a wire leading to the #10 spot on the block, remove that wire.
My block has tabs so that you can pull the wire out, or you could
snip/cut the wire leading to that position--if you cut the wire, be
careful to cut the correct one and cut it in such a way that it may be
repaired if you make a mistake. Make sure you wrap the wire, the
exposed end/s, you remove/cut with electrical tape so as not to
accidentally cause a short. I actually folded the wire back and wrapped
it.
2 posts to read--Here and Here.
This
seems to be a common issue involving many different case manufacturers.
I don't know how it applies to other MOBO manufacturers, but in these
forums it is not limited to a specific MSI model or supported
chipset(Intel or AMD).
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« Reply #12 on: 05 April 06, 14:13:58 » |
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I
have an Antec Case and Antec advises on their web site in FAQ that the
wire to be disconnected is the wire to Pin 10, which in my case is a
brown wire.
got a link ive been checking for faq to refrence usb port on antecs site with no luck.
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« Reply #13 on: 05 April 06, 15:28:15 » |
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Here is the faq I referenced in another post I made. This faq was for my case, see my sig. The
Antec USB connector follows the Intel standard layout. Majority of the
motherboards follow the same standard as well. Intel Standard 10pin
Layout Pin 1 = Power Pin 2 = Power Pin 3 = Data - Pin 4 = Data - Pin 5 = Data + Pin 6 = Data + Pin 7 = Ground Pin 8 = Ground Pin 9 = Key or Blocked pin Pin 10 = Ground
Warning:
If your motherboard contains a USB pin labeled OC or NC, make sure that
no wire goes to it. You can lift the black tab and pull the wire out or
simply clip the wire going to it. The pin for it is usually in pin 10.
When a wire is connected to OC or NC, all the USB ports can stop
working, the system can automatically shut down, or the secondary IDE is
disabled.
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« Reply #14 on: 05 April 06, 16:59:19 » |
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Here is the link; it applies to my
Performance SX600 Series case but Antec buys in the ports/circuitry so I
expect yours will be the same wiring http://www.antec.com/uk/support_faqs.php?FAQno=14This is exactly the same info that Frankenputer has quoted.
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« Reply #15 on: 05 April 06, 17:58:33 » |
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o.k when i get home im going to check this out.
I really hope it has the pop off backing for pin removal like it
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« Reply #16 on: 05 April 06, 18:00:10 » |
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Mine didn't - I had to snip the wire for fear of damaging the connector!
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« Reply #17 on: 05 April 06, 19:55:18 » |
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![wall](mb-usb-device-not-recognized_forum-thread_files/wall.gif) you
know i just found out what you meant by black tab. when you said black
tab i thought like a remote control battery tab. i didnt see the little
tiny tabs holding in each but now i know and removed without
snipping ![idea](mb-usb-device-not-recognized_forum-thread_files/idea.gif) o.k yay. i get some elctrical tape and see if it runs now.
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« Reply #18 on: 12 April 06, 04:40:44 » |
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I believe it also has to do with the quality of the USB device.
I
have a no-name-brand external USB 2.0 hub/4-in-1 card reader with its
own AC power brick. It exhibits exactly the same behavior
Mikekeller mentions-- Sometimes it will just drop off and become
an "unknown device," and it has done this on three different machines I
tried it on, using different USB ports (in the front or in the
back). On the other hand, I have another no-name-brand 17-in-1
card reader (internal-mount this time) I purchased with my HTPC case
from PC Alchemy and it has been rock-solid with my MSI 945Neo2-F.
These
USB devices are dice-throws. Sometimes you end up with a complete
piece of crap, sometimes you end up with a nice gem.
Well,
sometimes my Western Digital external USB hard drive will also suddenly
disappear, or rather, what happens is that it will show no files inside
the folders on the HD. This usually happens after playing Day of Defeat
for an extended time, or perhaps the PC has been on for a couple of
days doing a fair amount of downloading, or maybe after Windows Explorer
has locked up. It requires a reboot to get that back, but that always
works. So I am presuming a s/w conflict somewhere for that one. But yes, I'm not real happy with the lame performance of USB in general.
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I agree entirely that USB 2.0 Front Ports
behave very erratically. I have just purchased a second External
HDD and this won't work at all in the front ports but is quite happy
plugged into the ports off my D-Bracket connected to the other similar
USB Header.
My first External HDD, which I have had for some
time, works fine if I plug it into a front port before booting
up. If I hot plug it when the PC is on it usually works providing I
put the USB plug into the port before switching on the power - however
doing it this way records that the disc has a controller error (in Event
Viewer) which I put down to the fact that it is plugged in whilst
powering up. If I switch the power on first and then plug it in, I
get an error message "device not recognised".
What is so
frustrating is that the D-Bracket with two USB Ports and the front USB
Ports are connected to two identical Mobo headers. Their behavior
is the same even if the headers are swapped around.
I cannot
believe this problem cannot be fixed be either a Windows XP or MSI
update to the USB Drivers or something (not an expert so am guessing
here).
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